Shit Eaters part deux

[VTP]

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no way, link?

[wild beast]

fucking shit eaters and their love of TAXES: "OOOOooooh eewwwwww... what can i do with someone elses money??""

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32462351/ns ... ork_times/

just read the article.. fucking sick. i've never liked the whole property tax scam. sure, you need to pay something for municipal services. but tying it to the value of property is lame (fluccuates). maybe the SIZE - like amount of land. or something.. a flat tax to live in a city? i dunnooo.. but this is sickening.

[wild beast]

that was probably one of those things that a white trash pennsylvanian pussy dreams up while kicking around the heaps of trash of the single-wide in a bedroom he shares with his siblings. later he'd get "learned" and find out it was 'angst' and think it sounded cool.

[actionhero]

Change 'Pennsylvanian' to 'Californian' and I think you hit the nail on the head.

[wild beast]

didn't read all or much of that. but you are taking a MORAL standpoint. i.e., you are injecting some form of moral obligation that by your bleeeeeding heart gives the federal government the right to chisel off another man's sweat to give to another man.

you went directly for the most bleeding heart situation - which is no the real situation.

what about the man who never works? who is a shit eater much like yourself, but has chosen to get free shit instead of working? what about the woman who shits out kids to get a bigger pay check?

see, you really stepped in shit like the ignorant white trailer trash you are. you injected a moral stance into this and you really exposed your ass. stupid.

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[joy]

1) you avoided answering any of the questions.

Probably because he neglected to read them ... though that makes the assumption that he can read. Actually, illiteracy would make a lot of sense considering the fact that in the handful of his posts that I do bother to read, he never actually answers what are often straightforward questions. I do think we should introduce him to dad though. Between buildling a bunker to hide in for when the government comes to forcibly take their guns away and gabbing into the wee hours of the night about their racist, hate-filled worldviews, we'd probably never hear from WB again!

[speedy1600]

but if you think for minute, you realize that it's not only "shit eaters" who can benefit from health care. what about any "hard-working" American who has lost their job and their insurance? what about a recent graduate who hasn't found a job or the only job they can find doesn't provide health insurance or pay enough that they can afford it?

You realize that you will still have to pay for your health care if you choose the public option right? It will just be partly subsidized by tax money making costs lower than private insurers. So if you can't afford it in the first place, you still will not have any form of health insurance. This is THE reason people are bitching about the government getting in health care, because they can drive private business out with better rates using taxpayer money.

[RockPharmer]

where's the evidence that a public option will drive the private insurers out of business? Fedex & UPS seem to be doing fine running up against USPS. i now teach for a private college that is in no way being threatened by public schools. many (all?) states mandate that drivers carry insurance for their cars, but we'll let people bankrupt themselves (and burden the rest of the HC industry) by not being able to afford/select health insurance?

gimme a break.

[pmahnn]

This is THE reason people are bitching about the government getting in health care, because they can drive private business out with better rates using taxpayer money.

Maybe the people who like "free market capitalism". But the majority are bitching because Obama is killing granny and aborting your already born 3 year old because he couldn't do it whilst still in utero. For serious.

[abo]

Between buildling a bunker to hide in for when the government comes to forcibly take their guns away and gabbing into the wee hours of the night about their racist, hate-filled worldviews, we'd probably never hear from WB again![/quote]
That sentence is hard to read.

you republicans love to pin a derogatory, even inflammatory name on anything different from your ideas and paint in glistening red, white, and blue "AMERICA, FREEDOM, LIBERTY, etc.."

Freedom and Liberty are extremely underated by many pampered youngsters.

would i want the gov to take control of banks and hospitals and gun stores and whatever else. fuck yes!

Freedom and Liberty are extremely underated by many pampered youngsters.

why are you so goddamn scared of the gov?

Freedom and Liberty are extremely underated by many pampered youngsters.

would you, WB, walk up to a man who has worked hard his entire life, but lost his job through no fault of his own and call him a "shit eater" to his face, if he took unemployment or wanted public health insurance?

I think that there are many better ways to deal with catastrophic problems than a government takeover. Yes, a gov takeover. What kills me is that this administration tried to push this through in hours, when it should take months or years to orchestrate such important legislation. I can provide video evidence that even Obama didn't know the details of this plan, even while trying to force the vote before the lawmakers had a clue as to what it entailed. I can provide evidence that said lawmakers did not know what was in it as well.

where's the evidence that a public option will drive the private insurers out of business? Fedex & UPS seem to be doing fine running up against USPS.

"SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
COVERAGE.
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV-
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1."

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/ ... 071409.pdf

If a business can't enroll, or is limited in the enrollment of new customers past a certain date, how long do you think that it will be able to make ends meet?

[speedy1600]

RockPharmer - I love that you bring up this talking point the president made about ups, fedex, and usps. Do you remember what he said? It is the GOVERNMENT RUN Postal service that is having problems in day to day operations. IT is the one that has financial problems. Not a single news channel reported this obvious blunder. Good job. Not to mention....ups and the postal service are not direct competitors like say home depot and lowes. so really this comparison is not even relevant at all. They specialize in very different areas and cannot necessarily be substituted . Social security is bankrupt. Medicare and Medicaid are bankrupt. The post office is bankrupt. Fanny and Freddy are bankrupt. Do you really believe a public option would be able to not touch a single tax dollar like the president says? Get fucking real.

So if the states mandate we have vehicle insurance, should they be required to provide some form of it? Auto insurance is there to protect you from other drivers and ensures you will be compensated if THEY mess up and hit you. It is a social policy to protect people from themselves. So should health care be mandatory? here is something funny....the new health care bill will tax people who are uninsured. If health care is mandatory, that does not mean gov't has to provide every citizen with a plan, just like how car insurance works.

I am not against health care reform. I don't even fucking have a health care plan and would probably benefit from a government option. It is just proven the gov't is inefficient and 50 million people would would be absolutely unsustainable without tax dollars. Try tort reform and other options to try and lower costs before creating a system you could never take back

[speedy1600]

Also, people attend private college over public college for the incentive of a better education, prestige, and whatever other reason. If the patient retains the same doctor, the incentive becomes which plan is cheaper because the care does not change. If the gov't can provide lower subsidized prices, it is obvious the patient will choose the plan with the greater incentive. Can you comprehend how that will drive patients away from private companies? Companies will absolutely suffer form this.

[abo]

Also, people attend private college over public college for the incentive of a better education, prestige, and whatever other reason. If the patient retains the same doctor, the incentive becomes which plan is cheaper because the care does not change. If the gov't can provide lower subsidized prices, it is obvious the patient will choose the plan with the greater incentive. Can you comprehend how that will drive patients away from private companies? Companies will absolutely suffer form this.

heh, that's right, he's a private college teacher!

[Lox]

It is just proven the gov't is inefficient and 50 million people would would be absolutely unsustainable without tax dollars. Try tort reform and other options to try and lower costs before creating a system you could never take back

Yeah... that's teh anti-health care plan logic I like.

The shiteater diatribe is meh.

[joy]

Private vs. public schools? Please. There are plenty of very, very good public schools, and they don't put private schools out of business. And even if the overall quality of public colleges and universities is below the overall quality of education private schools can provide, those public entities provide opportunies that develop a diverse workforce that doesn't automatically limit each citizen to the life their parents had. I walked out of a public university with a quality education and plenty of loans. I now have a pretty good job because of it. Because of the lower tuition rates at public schools AND government assistance in subsidized loans and grants, I am a contributing member of society who pays taxes, gives money to charities, and stimulates the local economy. If I had no access and assistance to get an education, do you think I would be contributing to or dragging down society? Does that make me a shiteater? Someone who sponges off the government? Or is that an example of government-funded social systems that allow for a higher quality of life and an overall improvement of our society?

And what's with all the hate on the post office? Even though postage goes up (as everything else does), you can drop an envelope in the mail and for less than $.50 it will get anywhere in the country. When you need to get something sent across the country next day before 10am, FedEx is fine, albeit expensive. If FedEx and UPS were the only options, everyday mail would be WAY more expensive. And UPS still breaks shit and delivers packages to the wrong address.

Uninsured medical emergencies are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy. Does that improve or drag on society and the systems that are in place? Having a basic, more affordable option for healthcare (which will undoubtedly be flawed, as all things and systems are) isn't an inherently bad thing.

[speedy1600]

hey brother sister duo. I only brought up school because rockpharmer said that he was a private college instructor and wasn't threatened by public schools. Did I mention anything saying one was bad or good? I am talking about economic incentives. ok. Joy, please actually READ posts and don't just go on the offensive because somebody doesn't think like you. P.s. the post office is completely fucked financially. They are considering things like no mail on saturday blah blah. I am not saying they offer terrible service or suck or whatever, but it is gov't run and the finances are of relevance to my argument. I didn't just make up these references, it was in response to Rockpharmer.

healthcare sucks. paying $150 for an aspirin is outrageous. Things can be changed for the better. It is those changes that will reduce premiums for private healthcare. This is a better path than letting the govt increase it's debt paying for everyone which will reflect in taxes for everyone. Even middle class!!! omg!!

[abo]

Private vs. public schools? Please. There are plenty of very, very good public schools, and they don't put private schools out of business.

I believe in public schools. The fed needs to step the fuck back, though. What's your point about health care? Please?

[joy]

Lack of affordable healthcare holds people back financially and in their quality of life. Education is but ONE example of public and private systems running alongside each other. Saying that the governement needs to butt out of healthcare are is fine ... if you're ok with people dying and going bankrupt because they can't afford healthcare. That affects everyone.

[abo]

Lack of affordable healthcare holds people back financially and in their quality of life. Education is but ONE example of public and private systems running alongside each other. Saying that the governement needs to butt out of healthcare are is fine ... if you're ok with people dying and going bankrupt because they can't afford healthcare. That affects everyone.

Lack of healthcare leads to the demise of people, true. The government should not butt out. The government should not butt in. The government should defend us from foriegn threats, and sort out legal differences across state lines, tax us when necessary, and be challenged when it fucks up. The Federal Government should not be in charge of any form of health-care. There's this anti-tyranny document that some people wrote that basically forbade that sort of thing. What was it named? Oh well, this is a done deal. You will eat what you voted for.

[joy]

If the federal government shouldn't be running any form of healthcare, then who would pay for veterans' healthcare, especially long term injuries that occur during their service? The federal government doesn't run education, but it facilitates a system that without its involvement would be inaccessible to many. No one wants to see public schooling go, so does that mean being educated is more important than receiving medical attention? A public option isn't the federal government being in charge of healthcare, it's the federal government putting an end to a climate in which the size of your pocketbook determines what kind of medical care you can receive.

And as for what I voted for ... what state do you live in? I live in Arizona, where the republican legislature is holding us hostage because they can't release the deathgrip they have on the party line. Where the governor repealed the ban on public education programs that were proven over and over again to be ineffective. Where the poor and the weak are the first ones to be abandoned when the going got tough. I will absolutely eat what I voted for because after watching what's going on with the republicans in this state, I can't even imagine what kind of havoc that train of thought would unleash if it had hold at the federal level.