Medical Marijuana

[joy]

Question! If medimari is legal in Arizona, can employers still drug test/fire people with scripts?

Comment! If you can get the dank nugs and tasty treats legally, go for it. It's well worth being in some doctor's computer.

This is actually happening in states that legalized medical. A company policy that says a failed drug test equals termination doesn't go away just because what you're testing positive for is legal. Show up to work drunk? Probably gonna get fired if you get caught, even though alcohol is legal.

[pmahnn]

This is actually happening in states that legalized medical. A company policy that says a failed drug test equals termination doesn't go away just because what you're testing positive for is legal. Show up to work drunk? Probably gonna get fired if you get caught, even though alcohol is legal.

That's what I assumed. However, it seems reasonable to consider that weed in the system doesn't mean one is currently high. It seems worth considering legislation that differentiates between being legitimately under the influence and having traces of a substance in the body.

[joy]

This is actually happening in states that legalized medical. A company policy that says a failed drug test equals termination doesn't go away just because what you're testing positive for is legal. Show up to work drunk? Probably gonna get fired if you get caught, even though alcohol is legal.

That's what I assumed. However, it seems reasonable to consider that weed in the system doesn't mean one is currently high. It seems worth considering legislation that differentiates between being legitimately under the influence and having traces of a substance in the body.

that would be the logical response, but I don't see legislation getting passed anytime soon protecting the right to smoke and not be fired for it. there was a thing a while ago about a company who instituted a no nicotine policy, where testing positive for nicotine earned you a pink slip. sleazy and hell, but totally legal.

[600#gorilla]

i do vertical access rigging work.

nobody i've worked for tests up front.

hurt yourself on the job under any circumstances

and be certain they test you.

you hurt yourself because of a poorly maintained structure

or something that's not your fault...

better not test positive.

i doubt that will change.

[Lox]

I also hear their tests can establish how recently you did or did not partake. Blood v. urine and whatnot.

[malachi]

If I were a rigger and thought one of my crew were getting baked at work they wouldn't need to test (except perhaps forensically).

[slim]

love ganja

I also do rigging as well as my lighting work, and my job has the same policies. No upfront or random testing, but if you fuck up at work and hurt yourself or somebody else you are tested and if you test positive you are fucked. Just be good and you will have no problems. I'm surprised that 600# and I have such similar jobs lol.

[gluon]

Medical marijuana was passed in the State of Connecticut..... and then the God fearin' governor vetoed it.
Decriminalization was passed in the State of Connecticut.... and then a conservative legislator filibustered it until it could not be ratified.

[RockPharmer]

damn it! isn't there anyone here who can tell me who the shiteaters are in this debacle???


Legalizing marijuana is civil rights issue, California NAACP says

[KIX]

shiteaters

ban.

let just nip this shit in the bud.

[Cardboard_Dog]

oy vey...

i have no problem with people smoking. i think pot should be legalized. for everyone. no script, no medical condition. put down your cash, maybe pay the tax, and light up. everyone gets that warm fuzzy feeling.

there's no evidence that smoked marijuana does anything the anecdotal reports tout. i realize the limitations of researching a Schedule I drug and the fact that a lack of evidence does not prove it ineffective.

if marijuana is considered a medication, it should be regulated as such. safety & efficacy & good manufacturing processes oversaw by the FDA and dispensing by licensed pharmacists pursuant to a legitimate Rx from a licensed doctor.

let it begin.

Not to contradict anything that you've said here, but the FDA is an ineffectual figure head at this point. Having approved several drugs with the side-effect, or possible side effect, of DEATH .. they've pretty much lost all credibility. But yes good manufacturing and proper dispensing practices would go a long way toward medicinal face value. Street vendors would do nothing to change its current image in some peoples eyes.

On another tip .. We have licenses and social security cards so why not a Med MJ card? I think that even if you've been busted for possession in the past and you take the necessary steps to obtain nugs legally you're on the right track.

[RockPharmer]

please don't get me wrong: the FDA is far from a perfect institution and their track record as of recent is far from reassuring. that being said, as a health care professional, particularly one involved in safe medication practices, the idea of advocating for an untested, unregulated, and unchecked therapy is laughable.

[Lox]

Considering the track record of modern western medicine, I'm surprised you guys find anything "laughable."

And really, hasn't the effects of THC been studied quite a bit? I mean, from plant to plant your actual THC percentage will fluctuate, but that doesn't mean the substance in question is untested, unregulated, or unchecked.

[skav]

Dr. Skav recommends one bong hit every 2 hours until you all chill the fuck out.

[KIX]

I am submitting myself to the care of the Dr. and following his prescibed course of treatment until directed otherwise.

[RockPharmer]

Considering the track record of modern western medicine, I'm surprised you guys find anything "laughable."

And really, hasn't the effects of THC been studied quite a bit? I mean, from plant to plant your actual THC percentage will fluctuate, but that doesn't mean the substance in question is untested, unregulated, or unchecked.

THC maybe, smoked ganja? not aware of too much quality science there.

eastern, western, southern, arctic medicine... show me anything that's perfect. you keep trying to describe it as therapeutic using a western medicine mentality, why shit on regulating it according to western medicine practices? if you want to be all hippy & holistic, stop trying to pin it on a western medicine diagnosis, e.g. cancer, AIDS, MS, etc, and let everyone smoke up.

LET MY PEOPLE SMOKE DOPE

[RockPharmer]

I am submitting myself to the care of the Dr. and following his prescibed course of treatment until directed otherwise.

doctor's orders

[malachi]

please don't get me wrong: the FDA is far from a perfect institution and their track record as of recent is far from reassuring. that being said, as a health care professional, particularly one involved in safe medication practices, the idea of advocating for an untested, unregulated, and unchecked therapy is laughable.

Considering the track record of modern western medicine, I'm surprised you guys find anything "laughable."

I'm an example of both the strengths and weaknesses of modern western medicine - and am also an example of why people are turning to things like medical marijuana.

Because of modern western medicine, I can walk. To be honest, there are many days where I consider this a true miracle.
At the same time, because of modern medical practices (particularly around medication) I'm having to take various medications to counter the negative impacts of having been on other medications and I'm moving to additional medications to allow me to take those first medications without more side-effects.
In my most recent trip to the doctor I said, "isn't there some other option - rather than having to take one medication to allow me to take a second medication because you guys prescribed so much of a third medication that it's seriously fucked up my systems?" His response was that I could try a different medication instead.

I think trauma care and surgical techniques and recovery care and physical therapy are all fucking amazing and would never want to live somewhere without these.
I think that the western knee-jerk "give 'em some pills" approach (to be honest driven by the pharma companies not medical practitioners) - especially without considering long-term consequences - is horrific and does enormous damage not just to the credibility of the medical practice and most of all the FDC, but also to patients.

To sum up...
Western Medicine = mostly good.
Pharma companies = mostly bad.
FDC = useless tool.

[600#gorilla]

i smoke two joints in the morning...........

[Lox]

THC maybe, smoked ganja? not aware of too much quality science there.

Aren't you in the medical profession? Shouldn't you know that no matter how you get the THC into your system, the effects are basically the same? Shouldn't you know about the wide variety of clinical studies performed? I mean... this is some basic shit from the wiki:

Other studies have shown cannabis or cannabinoids may be useful in treating alcohol abuse,[16] attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD or AD/HD)[17][18] amyotrophic lateral sclerosis,[19][20][21] collagen-induced arthritis,[22] rheumatoid arthritis,[23] asthma,[24] atherosclerosis,[25] bipolar disorder,[26][27] childhood mental disorders,[28] colorectal cancer,[29] depression,[30][31][32][33] diabetic retinopathy,[34][35] dystonia,[36][37] epilepsy,[38][39] digestive diseases,[40][41] gliomas,[42][43] hepatitis C,[44][45] Huntington's disease,[46] hypertension,[47][48] urinary incontinence,[49] leukemia,[50] skin tumors,[51] morning sickness,[52][53] methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA),[54][55] Parkinson's disease,[56] pruritus,[57][58] posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD),[59][60][61] sickle-cell disease,[62] sleep apnea,[63]tourette syndrome,[64][65] and anorexia nervosa.[66]

That list ain't short, doc.

So then this:

you keep trying to describe it as therapeutic using a western medicine mentality, why shit on regulating it according to western medicine practices?

Actually, I think the term "theraputic" isn't just limited to western medicine practices. I think meditation and yoga, for example, are very theraputic. In this instance, taking cannabis has shown to be very theraputic for the wide variety of issues listed above and maybe more, like regular aches and pains normally treated through liver-smashing OTCs like Tylenol. However, "western medicine" won't accept this as valid because each plant isn't grown in laboratory conditions and the THC may vary be a small percentage? Weak-fucking-sauce.

You don't have to be a hippy to know that's a frikkin' cop out.