Medical Marijuana

[RockPharmer]

a freaking cop out is citing wikipedia and then stopping. please. you want to go to journal club, pull the fucking articles and then we'll start. i mean shit, a 3-year old can be cited as an expert on wikipedia. synthesized THC for the conditions you've described hasn't proven any more safe nor effective than established therapies. but yet the pro-medical marijuana folks continuously push for smoked joints: show me the evidence that it does anything more than it's synthesized THC counterpoint. a cop out is hiding behind the medical in medical marijuana.

[pmahnn]

Dude, your rage is harshing my buzz*.










*from from gyokuro tea. stfu.

[skav]

I think you need to be under my care, Rockpharmer. One binger every hour.

[Lox]

a freaking cop out is citing wikipedia and then stopping. please. you want to go to journal club, pull the fucking articles and then we'll start. i mean shit, a 3-year old can be cited as an expert on wikipedia.

I'm not going to go and look at THIRTY studies to make sure they are all as theraputic as wiki claims. I'm going to assume that if marijuana is proven effective in even HALF those studies, it has shown a demonstrable benefit.

synthesized THC for the conditions you've described hasn't proven any more safe nor effective than established therapies.

Two points:

1. Wouldn't all THC be "synthesized" by the body, regardless of how it got in the bloodstream and if it was presynthesized in a lab? Smokin' joints obviously makes you feel the normal effect of cannabis, so this distinction about smoked joint THC vs. other THC seems very silly. It all makes you high.
2. I doubt cannabis needs to prove itself as "more safe" or "more effective" as established therapies. It only has to prove to be a viable choice. Heck, even if you have to dose twice as often because cannabis was only half as effective, the patient should be able to have that choice, not the feds.

Bonus point: You mention "established therapies"... considering the fact that cannabis is the established therapy for a great deal of what ails humanity and western medicine is late-to-the-party, this aptly demonstrates the arrogance of practitioners of western medicine, who would seek to deny the actual established therapies in favor of pushin pills.

a cop out is hiding behind the medical in medical marijuana.

The cop out is thinking Marinol is good, but the actual natural substance it emulates is not. I think the doctors are more concerned that the marijuana producers won't take them out to lunch as much as the makers of Marinol have...

[RockPharmer]

I think you need to be under my care, Rockpharmer. One binger every hour.

somedays i do wish i could take you up on that...


big salmon, we're going to continue spinning our wheels. for the indications related to appetite and nausea, Marinol is hardly a go-to agent. my point was that with so much attention being played to smoking pot, you started going down the avenue of talking THC, which has been tried by docs and just doesn't do what anyone - including the industry - wanted it to do. marinol is as much a joke as medical marijuana.

i've got no problems with people smoking up, healthy or otherwise. my patients can not stand up, talk, or do too much else themselves let alone smoke a J, but i don't think it appropriate for a HCP to criticize a patient smoking unless it is proving to be a detriment to a therapy the two of them previously agreed upon. what is inappropriate is a doc recommending an intervention that is not proven safe nor effective and lawmakers skirting the protections that we have in place instead of working to further safeguard the public.

[Lox]

what is inappropriate is a doc recommending an intervention that is not proven safe nor effective and lawmakers skirting the protections that we have in place instead of working to further safeguard the public.

I do agree on these points.

However, I think that it is totally whack that a doctor would classify a substance that has never killed ANYONE from overdose in over 5,000 years of recorded use as "not proven safe." And there is proof that even "smoked cannabis" is effective:

http://www.cmcr.ucsd.edu/geninfo/abrams_hiv_abs_4.pdf

Excellent correlation was seen between the response to smoking in the effect on both the chronic neuropathic and the acute experimental pain model over a six-hour period. Overall 10 of the 16 participants experienced a greater than 30% reduction in their neu-ropathic pain after seven days.

[Lox]

Whack is a clinical term where I'm from.

[ipoach]

are dopes considered doctors there as well?

[600#gorilla]

i can safely say from repeated daily tests that smoking kgb is awesome!

and that not smoking the kind is not awesome.

not awesome is bad.

yes, awesome! is good.

therefore, smoking the dankness is the best for everybody.

do it now.

ever-ry day!

[ipoach]

bought off the street 2wice now in Van... shits gettin easier, just wish I didnt have to drive all the way there to do it..

[KIX]

pm.


self medicating now.

[drater]

shits gettin easier, just wish I didnt have to drive all the way there to do it..

Are you not hanging out with locals in squish or what?

Edit: I just searched FB for a couple connections for you to no avail. Fucking hippays, get on the grid.

[malachi]

Seriously... not exactly a shortage up there...

[ipoach]

Everyone Ive encountered so far has either just offered to smoke me out, or I made them uncomfortable... hehs

Drater, you obvi just dont know how to use the internets.. Im all over this bish.

[Cardboard_Dog]

I think you need to be under my care, Rockpharmer. One binger every hour.

somedays i do wish i could take you up on that...


big salmon, we're going to continue spinning our wheels. for the indications related to appetite and nausea, Marinol is hardly a go-to agent. my point was that with so much attention being played to smoking pot, you started going down the avenue of talking THC, which has been tried by docs and just doesn't do what anyone - including the industry - wanted it to do. marinol is as much a joke as medical marijuana.

i've got no problems with people smoking up, healthy or otherwise. my patients can not stand up, talk, or do too much else themselves let alone smoke a J, but i don't think it appropriate for a HCP to criticize a patient smoking unless it is proving to be a detriment to a therapy the two of them previously agreed upon. what is inappropriate is a doc recommending an intervention that is not proven safe nor effective and lawmakers skirting the protections that we have in place instead of working to further safeguard the public.

Legalize it ... And I will advertise it.

[salad]

just got home with some really strong platinum bubba kush. yeah whatever, i didnt name it, but its super nice.

free gram of white widow. havent tried that since amsterdam like 12 years ago.

loaded up on some edibles but havent tried them yet.

i think this place is my new spot, even tho its not that close to my house. super cool, regular peeps, not freaks. quality flowers.

[Tronic]

1. Wouldn't all THC be "synthesized" by the body, regardless of how it got in the bloodstream and if it was presynthesized in a lab? Smokin' joints obviously makes you feel the normal effect of cannabis, so this distinction about smoked joint THC vs. other THC seems very silly. It all makes you high.

There are many cannabinoids. They have various properties and receptors. Synthesized THC is a specific type with specific effects. All "highs" are subjective. You know all this.
Much love and may we have some for our cataracts = Skav, please, thank you.

[Lox]

Yeh, and the "inert" shit in different types of ibuprophen pills probably has different effects on the body too.

I still think the assertion that smoked cannabis hasn't been studied is crap. I google and see plenty of studies. The assertion that a doctor couldn't reccomend cannabis because they don't know exactly which combination of cannabinoids you will get is similarly crap.

Rockpharmer, are you sure you're not a chiropractor?

[malachi]

Yeh, and the "inert" shit in different types of ibuprophen pills probably has different effects on the body too.

I'd be far less concerned by the inert shit in ibuprophen than the active ingredient.
GI damage and reduced kidney function sucks ass.

[Lox]

What does your body do with the gel from gelcaps?

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